Serious TGP submitting questions

[retainer]

Yesterday, I did my first submitting frenzy. I posted to 16 top tgp's, including Persian Kitty, The Hun, TGP-Center and others. I also applied for partnerships on several big sites. Measuring this experience and the reading acquired from webmaster schools, a few questions arose:

How are you supposed to put visitor tracking on the gallery when every form of scripting is forbidden in almost every tgp?

If the tgp wants a "recip link" from me, what does that mean? Not same as gallery link for sure, as it is asked for at the same time.

What is the real difference between an outbound link and a link banner? some tgp's limit them differently from eachother. The link "click here" in a running text, is that considered an outbound link or a banner? what if it was size 20px? 30px and centered? There must be unspoken laws about this.


This is my gallery, for point of reference:
http://www.tastebabes.com/hosted/ana...gels/index.htm
Ofcourse, the default img on the top was replaced with the recip link (or three links if so implied).

Think it would roll? Sure hope so

[porn punk]

Originally posted by retainer
Yesterday, I did my first submitting frenzy. I posted to 16 top tgp's, including Persian Kitty, The Hun, TGP-Center and others. I also applied for partnerships on several big sites. Measuring this experience and the reading acquired from webmaster schools, a few questions arose:

How are you supposed to put visitor tracking on the gallery when every form of scripting is forbidden in almost every tgp?

If the tgp wants a "recip link" from me, what does that mean? Not same as gallery link for sure, as it is asked for at the same time.

What is the real difference between an outbound link and a link banner? some tgp's limit them differently from eachother. The link "click here" in a running text, is that considered an outbound link or a banner? what if it was size 20px? 30px and centered? There must be unspoken laws about this.


This is my gallery, for point of reference:
http://www.tastebabes.com/hosted/ana...gels/index.htm
Ofcourse, the default img on the top was replaced with the recip link (or three links if so implied).

Think it would roll? Sure hope so

You're on the right track with those tgp's, but I actually submit to about 500 give or take a day. 16 is hardly a frenzy LOL. You'll need a submitter to do a good amount with a good database and I always promote chameleon with the link in my sig.

Recips are needed (not just one, usually three) so that tgp's are actually swapping traffic with each other. They usually care less about you're gallery than they care about the traffic exchange between the recips.

The exception of course is are tgp's like the hun and shemp who don't need other tgp's petty traffic and want high quality galleries with good content.

outbound links are the links to your sponsors, usually one with text and one with that banner at the top of your gallery will work fine. You might be able to squeeze in another but if the tgp is using a script, it might count the recips as outbound links so be careful.

That banner you squeezed in with your pics is going to be considered a blind link by a lot of tgp's so I'd lose it and put the link at the top on your header banner.

There's probably more stuff you need to know, but I'm sure someone else in the post will add to this or emphasize or adjust something I said to make it clearer or more accurate

P.S. I like your general gallery design though. You have some natural talent at creating galleries. I think you'll do good as possible as far as tgp sign ups go in this day and age.

[retainer]

Thank you for your replies porn punk, very helpful!

I'm a little afraid of putting money into this before I actually see a little revenue. I haven't really found out what money could be made and at what cost. I have read dream numbers, but that could just as easily be marketing in disguise.

How much do you estimate as a regular submitter, how much money could be made with my particular gallery? If I submitted to like 500 tgps?

very encouraging though that you perceive my gallery as an adequate one! Thank you

[porn punk]

Originally posted by retainer
Thank you for your replies porn punk, very helpful!

I'm a little afraid of putting money into this before I actually see a little revenue. I haven't really found out what money could be made and at what cost. I have read dream numbers, but that could just as easily be marketing in disguise.

How much do you estimate as a regular submitter, how much money could be made with my particular gallery? If I submitted to like 500 tgps?

very encouraging though that you perceive my gallery as an adequate one! Thank you

I don't want to mislead. All I can say is you put more thought into your gallery design than i do into mine and most of my sign ups still come from gallery submissions.

On the other hand, maybe that's why. My stuff looks extremely amatuer and maybe that's why it works.

Use this kind of math. If you're paying for a host, hopefully you're paying no more than 10 bucks and getting at least 500 Gig of bandwidth. Chameleon would cost you about 25 bucks a month. Try it once. Once sign up at 35 dollars should cover it. If you haven't gotten a sign up yet, you'll probably jack off over the 15 dollar ones, but that's probably not bad since they are probably rebills and they'll catch you next month.

My point is, look for your one first sign up which should be covered by those minimal investments and at least you won't lose. I can see better, but I don't want to make false promises.

P.S. one big thing. Chameleon doesn't rebill. You can try it once and forget about it. In fact, if you want to stay with it (like I have, you have to consciously keep signing up once your cycle is up depending on what duration you choose).

[Hammer]

I'm am always absolutely amazed every time I see someone say they expect to make money in this business before they spend any money. This is a business people, not a charity. You get out of it what you put into it and if you're unwilling to even pay for hosting or buy a program, I seriously doubt you'll ever get anything out of it.

[retainer]

Well. I got the idea of lucrative free submitting when it is told of all over the webmaster community - even in the cozy articles.
I've also read that manual submitting is the way to go. Other say that auto is better. In a case of two contradicting sources, only experience can reveal what to do.
And I'm so glad that you and your attitude, Hammer, point me in the right direction.

Ofcourse I have bought a dedicated server for the purpose of hosting. The question is if another investment really is necessary to make money, or else what the next step of investing is. Ofcouse I am willing to spend money to make money. But I do NOT want to make uninformed decisions and throw money around. Hammer.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by retainer
Well. I got the idea of lucrative free submitting when it is told of all over the webmaster community - even in the cozy articles.
I've also read that manual submitting is the way to go. Other say that auto is better. In a case of two contradicting sources, only experience can reveal what to do.
And I'm so glad that you and your attitude, Hammer, point me in the right direction.

Ofcourse I have bought a dedicated server for the purpose of hosting. The question is if another investment really is necessary to make money, or else what the next step of investing is. Ofcouse I am willing to spend money to make money. But I do NOT want to make uninformed decisions and throw money around. Hammer.

The thing about manual submitting is that if you're submitter is built correctly, there will be a section for manual submissions, hopefully with the tech crew know which tgp's should fall into that section.

I can't imagine anyone making money in the tgp business without submitting to hundreds of tgp's and using partner accounts (some paid for ones also - although I have my own technique for when and how to pay for them)

Three of the better ones to pay for are Shemp, Tommysbookmarks and Richards Realm in my opinion, but don't think the little tgp's don't get you sign ups also. It's just that they are few and far apart, but it all adds up.

Problem is, to find them all you at least need a database so you might as well use one that is updated regularly. I know chameleon does that (daily), but i don't think the others update on such a frequent basis and if you are using old databases it's like reading old articles.

You wouldn't buy a Model-T that was state of the art at the time to try and win Nascar today would you?

[porn punk]

Originally posted by porn punk
The thing about manual submitting is that if you're submitter is built correctly, there will be a section for manual submissions, hopefully with the tech crew know which tgp's should fall into that section.

I can't imagine anyone making money in the tgp business without submitting to hundreds of tgp's and using partner accounts (some paid for ones also - although I have my own technique for when and how to pay for them)

Three of the better ones to pay for are Shemp, Tommysbookmarks and Richards Realm in my opinion, but don't think the little tgp's don't get you sign ups also. It's just that they are few and far apart, but it all adds up.

Problem is, to find them all you at least need a database so you might as well use one that is updated regularly. I know chameleon does that (daily), but i don't think the others update on such a frequent basis and if you are using old databases it's like reading old articles.

The other thing is, I'm still under the impression that you need to submit to hundreds of tgp's, not just a few even if you're paying for good partner accounts (that's just my opinion, others will disagree). I don't submit as heavily as I used to because I'm getting sign ups from galleries I've submitted a couple years back in the system, but when I was submitting heavy, I would normally submit at least 3 galleries every day to about 500 tgp's each. Try and do that manually.

You wouldn't buy a Model-T that was state of the art at the time to try and win Nascar today would you?

[porn punk]

Sorry about the last post. Was trying to edit but ended up quoting

[retainer]

I downloaded the chameleon demo, and it really seems like a time saver. I saw what you mean with the manual part. It renders the arguments for "manual submitting" rather obsolete :P

I will buy it tonight and try it out. With your referral code of course, as a thank you for helping out

[porn punk]

Originally posted by retainer
I downloaded the chameleon demo, and it really seems like a time saver. I saw what you mean with the manual part. It renders the arguments for "manual submitting" rather obsolete :P

I will buy it tonight and try it out. With your referral code of course, as a thank you for helping out

Be careful about submitting anything with the demo. It puts on an extra link and you don't want to call attention to yourself from the tgp's. Read all the instructions carefully, and go slow. You might even want to manually submit everything your first time, but I don't think that's necessary. Actually, your first few times try and do your manuals first so you can see what's happening.

Also you may want to purchase the confirmer because you're going to end up having to confirm probably around 50 to 100 email confirms. It's only a one time payment for that.

I'm pretty sure you'll make your money back from the chameleon payment. One pps or two revshares usually cover it.

My better sponsors one my submit page. The top handful are nasty dollars, dog fart, top bucks, teen revenue, real bucks and was OC Cash for a while.

Not sure they sponsors have as much to do with it as your sales pitch or gallery construction, but there are sponsors that just don't get me that many sign ups no matter what I do and these others have more unique content or sites as far as I'm concerned. In other words they aren't pay sites built up with duplicate content that other paysites also have which really cuts down on the sales - oversaturation I guess

[retainer]

Ok, finally used Chameleon Submitter to post the analteenangels-gallery to about 280 fitting tgp:s manually. Was a lot of fun confirming all those mails
Let's see what happens.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by retainer
Ok, finally used Chameleon Submitter to post the analteenangels-gallery to about 280 fitting tgp:s manually. Was a lot of fun confirming all those mails
Let's see what happens.

LOL, you'll get sick of that and get the confirmer after a couple sign ups.

[porn punk]

Don't just do one gallery and wait to see what happens. The whole point to the submitter is to get a lot done quickly.

You should do a few, preferrably in different niches that don't overlap too much (every niche overlaps a little or course)

[theviking]

To make money submitting galleries as of today you need:

1) to make sure you can build galleries that SELL!
2 ) (Expensive) partner accounts from the biggest (and best) TGP's around. I wouldn't waste time on chameleon or any submitter today. Roboform or FF is more than enough to submit to those 20-30 TGP's you need to submit to.
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IF you still waste your time on those submitters, make sure you build atleast 5 galleries/day and have atleast 1K submits.

However, it is a good place to start to gain experience...to learn how TGP's work, how the submit process is done, and to learn that you will NOT make any money without partneraccounts.

A few (the best) tips:
KRAWL
Shemps
Tommys bookmarks
allso submit to:
Persian kitty and thehun if you want to burn some BW.(Those are free)

[porn punk]

Last I heard KRAWL was only giving out accounts to paysite owners or program owners or something like that. Anyway, good luck trying to get any reply back from them to begin with.

Everyone who submits galleries should submit to the hun. That's a no brainer. But it's definitely going to be some bandwidth usage so I'd find some host with cheap bandwidth, but if you're doing galleries you should have a cheap host for that to begin with (even if that host is just for galleries submissions).

I definitely recommend Shemp and Also Richards Realm and Tommysbookmarks. But I would wait until I started building galleries that convert so I don't jump into wasting too much money or building something that gets me banned.

If you're going to do 5 galleries a day you're probably going to have to use the gay and tranny niches because there's usually a limit on all tgp's as to how many you can submit, even the smaller ones so you're going to need the niche only ones.

If you can't get a few sign ups with chameleon (probably more than a few), you probably shouldn't be wasting your money on partner accounts, but knock yourself out.

[retainer]

Submitting at the rate of five galleries a day is a bit overwhelming task at the moment. I haven't produced that flexible templates yet, also I have a hard time finding adequate content. Working on this though

I did a test run with chameleon, a manual submit to over 300 fitting tgps with this gallery:
http://www.tastebabes.com/hosted/ass.../analpics.html

Today, I tried the auto submitting feature with this gallery:
http://www.tastebabes.com/hosted/mik...edheadwet.html
did only 47 manuals but like 250 autos. What a time saver!

I will produce and submit one gallery a day for starters. I still have a daytime job that steals time, and I don't want to rush production at the cost of quality improvement.

Seems like the long goal is to move away from free tgps, earn myself reputation and money and buy/apply myself into PA tgps. = More exposure with less effort.
That ofcourse would require gallery creation skillz which I will aquire with chameleon

Thanks for all the support!

[porn punk]

I wouldn't overdo it to where you're screwing up, but gallery submissions (and I think even free site submissions somewhat), these days takes a lot of qauntity.

It's a high traffic, hi bandwidth thing and deals mostly in numbers. You can only get so creative with a gallery. Surfers are looking for content, and it's my opinion that the content is what's going to get you the sign ups.

I'm not saying to push out complete crap, cause then your galleries won't even be accepted, but don't try to immitate FHG'S and keep the page mostly bare bones (i.e. thumbs, header, tour link, 2257 warning and that's about it). You only have so much to work with.

Eventually you'll want to link them to a traffic hub, maybe with a blog or something so you don't waste all your older work, and can pick up something on the back end down the road.

Another good (off the subject idea) is to start naming your gallery pages specifically (maybe after tgp's, blogs or sites you're linking to). This will help you track useful traffic from useless traffic to manage your time later on when that becomes an issue.

[theviking]

Originally posted by retainer
Submitting at the rate of five galleries a day is a bit overwhelming task at the moment. I haven't produced that flexible templates yet, also I have a hard time finding adequate content. Working on this though

Some submitters give you permission to submit up to 10 galleries a day (KRAWL-pussy.org etc.). You should then submit 10 galleries a day. no less, no more.

Gallery submission is much like being in military...you have rules, follow them, you have troops, follow them, you have platoons, follow them...

etc... up to you have all the best partneraccounts (probably take you 2-3 years), then you will either make a lot of money from it, or just get bored of the whole TGP race....

Cuz..it is a race... if you not submit, another will (and i promise you he will) take your place.

[retainer]

Thanks for all the tips. The submitting has gone slow as other website projects are consuming alot of time. I however made a solid sale with an interracial anal gallery which was nice
The server has a 360gb a month traffic limit which is holding up nicely. However, I'm not seeing the traffic I've heard about in the numerous submitting threads.

I've been working on making the gallery production line more time efficient by tweaking the templates and scripting Photoshop. I see what you guys mean by this being a quantity business - It's all about making a gallery that hit someones desire to have more of the same thing.

So, partner accounts. PA. Besides the ones that cost money, which sites should I apply for as for now?

My newest galleries in non chronological order:
http://www.tastebabes.com/hosted/jus...reampie01.html
http://www.tastebabes.com/hosted/dpf...anatics01.html
http://www.tastebabes.com/hosted/ext...s01/indexc.htm
http://www.tastebabes.com/hosted/mik...t01/indexc.htm
http://www.tastebabes.com/hosted/ass.../analpics.html
(the last one made the sale)

The first one in the list, a video gallery, is a gallery made by the sponsor. What can't we use these? They are good and ready to go!